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New Zealand lockdown
Possible Delta case in community found yesterday.

Investigation ongoing by Health & science agencies.

Initial places of interest and close contacts determined.

Notices under Health Act issued.

Auckland in lockdown for seven days and rest of country for three. (At this moment).

Everyone now in their bubbles. Normal lockdown rules such as can exercise within block but stay two metres apart; go to supermarkets, dairies & medical; scan in (we got a bit lacks with that) and other public health stuff.

Essential workers all ready determined from last time.

Those travelling have 48 hours to get to their homes - then must “shelter in place”.

I’m lucky and can work from home (knew I brought my laptop home for a reason).

For those that cannot work from home economic support has been triggered.

We’ve been there and done that and I have no doubt the “Team of five million” will do the same.

Will be some dickheads that will complain / rest of country will tell them to fuck off and pull their heads in.

Will also be some who may try to break the rules (this “you’re taking my freedoms crap - again vast majority will be piss off you twats) can’t see the police being so softly softly as they were the last time, the rest of the country won’t give a stuff.

Opposition parties will need to decide whether to support lockdown or not. They didn’t last time and lost the election massively.

Hopefully contacts all determined and isolating and it will only be a bump in the elimination of Covid- we’ve learnt from other countries & especially our cousins in NSW, Australia.

Delta was coming and presentation by group of scientists (& business persons) who said it was a case of not “if” but “when”. Presentation only last week with Government setting out how we will “reconnect with the world” and warning country that any cases will see the “go hard, go early” approach (which the scientists, etc reinforced). This approach has worked for us before and our GDP was at pre-Covid levels & unemployment lowest in 30 years. A public health approach is also the best economic approach.

Vaccine program on temporary halt for 24 hours. Forty percent have had first shots, thirty percent fully vaccinated, 70 percent booked future shoots with all age groups (from 16 up) able to book shots from 01/09/31. thumbup1 thumbup

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Day 1/.

Seven cases - confirmed Delta - Genome sequencing shows came from New South Wales, Australia - more places of interest identified including casino in our biggest city - about 80 people protested outside four police stations, all but 8 didn’t dispersed when told to so were arrested.

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I fear the new 'Delta' variant may slowly spread over the whole of the World, let's hope that the vaccines we have at the moment and new ones that may become available will help control it and keep deaths to a minimum ? ohmy

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At times I think New Zealand are just delaying the inevitable. There is a very fine balance between not overpowering the health services and keeping the economy limping along. I get the feeling New Zealand are locking down too quickly and might be trashing their economy. Hopefully they can return to normal soon, like much of the world.

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Day 2/.

21 cases 90 places of interest

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Scotchlander said: At times I think New Zealand are just delaying the inevitable. There is a very fine balance between not overpowering the health services and keeping the economy limping along. I get the feeling New Zealand are locking down too quickly and might be trashing their economy. Hopefully they can return to normal soon, like much of the world.


Hey Scotchlander, contra to what you might have been told or read our lockdowns have worked. We’ve had one major and two minor ones.

The economy bounced back amazingly- GDP was back to pre-Covid levels, unemployment lowest in 30 years- debt ratio much lower than anticipated by far. Economy in better position than Uk, US, Australia & Canada.

Early (& proper) lockdowns far better for public health and economy. And we are a country that follows the rules which helps drastically too I suppose.

Also health system doesn’t collapse which ours would have.

We’ve beat this before and gone back to level 1 - no social distancing, large gatherings, etc and we’ll beat this again and get back to level 1 & begin the reopening of borders which was outlined last week.

But thanks for thinking of us. Maybe the NN community might want to come visiting next year.

Cheers

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Scotchlander said: At times I think New Zealand are just delaying the inevitable. There is a very fine balance between not overpowering the health services and keeping the economy limping along. I get the feeling New Zealand are locking down too quickly and might be trashing their economy. Hopefully they can return to normal soon, like much of the world.


Hey Scotchlander, contra to what you might have been told or read our lockdowns have worked. We’ve had one major and two minor ones.

The economy bounced back amazingly- GDP was back to pre-Covid levels, unemployment lowest in 30 years- debt ratio much lower than anticipated by far. Economy in better position than Uk, US, Australia & Canada.

Early (& proper) lockdowns far better for public health and economy. And we are a country that follows the rules which helps drastically too I suppose.

Also health system doesn’t collapse which ours would have.

We’ve beat this before and gone back to level 1 - no social distancing, large gatherings, etc and we’ll beat this again and get back to level 1 & begin the reopening of borders which was outlined last week.

But thanks for thinking of us. Maybe the NN community might want to come visiting next year.

Cheers


Exactly, if it’s done promptly and properly it works! The slow, half arsed efforts in some other countries are doomed to failure.

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Day 3/.

31 cases - 3 in capital- places of interest grow - massive testing- idiots who breached lockdown have appeared in Court- vaccination have recommenced with social distance established- lockdown rules still being followed very well by population- financial support has been stood up - increased testing sites - lockdown in all places extended to Tuesday 24/08 - find out Monday if further extended- no cases in South Island (where we are) - looking good - as expected cases will increase then drop and stop- children 12 to 15 approved for vaccination

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Cool on the lockdowns, but what are the NZ government planning to do about Delta (and Lambda) when it eventually makes it to your shores again? Are they planning on vaccinating more people? I was surprised that the vaccination rate in NZ is as low as it is.

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PS, not trying to come across as negative (look at the chaos in my own country), but I would think that more vaccines would be a preferable solution, especially long term.

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milfchaser said: PS, not trying to come across as negative (look at the chaos in my own country), but I would think that more vaccines would be a preferable solution, especially long term.


No problems milf; the vaccination plan has always been to do in groups (sorry offer vaccine to people, some don’t want it).

Currently group 4 )age group 40 to 50) open for booking,

(front border workers REQUIRED to get were in 1st group - some didn’t and are now being told do so or your employer will have to redeploy you) those in health / aged care also offered - again pressure to get, with some aged care facilities saying if you don’t get it you’re gone.

Group 2 was elderly.

Group 3 those with underlying medical conditions of which I’m one) were next. We get our second shot on 27/08 - did the 3wk gap, it’s been extended to 6wks now unless you want at 3 wks.

Then group 4 was broken down by age bands 60 to 70, 50 to 60, 40 to 50, 30 to 40, 16 to 30 group from 01/09. I didn’t really pay much attention to dates as I was in group 3.

Also from 01/09 will be opened to 12 to 16 - but if parent has earlier booking they can bring their children along then.

I think the ages/groups went something like that.

It was delayed as we sent vaccines to some of the islands due to Fiji and also pfhiser (?) put a premium in the supply (which we ended up paying) and it also got held back by US & EU. Plus as people were dying in other countries and not here shipments were delayed.

Basically if delta hadn’t come from our cousins (the Aussies) we’d been fine. In someways you could say we were caught in a perfect storm and the victim of being too nice. Australia was in the same situation.

We were ahead of targets before delta came due to social distancing numbers have declined- apparently some have turned up without bookings and delays as nurse pulled off to do swabs. Although nurses not only people to do jabs. I heard someone saying the armed forces should do it!!! The medical Corp are, but this person was taking sailors, infantry, etc.

It’s been suggested that have drive thrus but basically no because of the 20 minutes you need to wait- some will leave. It happened when we did flu jabs that way last year.

Essential workers (supermarkets) are being pushed to head of queue.

Regarding the swabs lots of people are getting done just for the sake of it. There’s required people- you’ve been at places of interest during certain times, identified as contact, cold/flu like symptoms, etc. but it doesn’t matter how much people are told some just don’t get it and can’t understand when they are turned away or have long waits and just expect to be dealt with there and then- also GPs do them (I had one at mine) but it seems not many going there).

I suppose some are panicking for no reasons, but that’s easy for me to say I guess.

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Day 4/. 21 extra cases - 3 in Wellington, rest in Auckland- total 51 cases - 5000 close contacts, expected to be 10000 by days end - 4 schools, a university, two large hospitality gatherings (infectious bartender) — no cases in South Island but known that people travelled from north to south- find out status of South Island on Monday, anyway I’m working from home until t least Tuesday. All fine with us. thumbup thumbup

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It’s about day 12/. We got rubbished in some of the overseas media and by some right wing politicians- Nigel fergre - over lockdown due to one case it now is 438 with over 15,000 contacts (due to delta the authorities expanded what they term a contract.

It was the right call to lockdown.

Vaccination numbers keep setting new records each day (by the way we would have been much further along if countries like US hadn’t stockpiled vaccine resulting in drug companies not meeting the contractual obligations.)

Just over 70% have either had at least one doze or are booked to have them in September. Age 12 to 30 group opens up to book jabs on 01/09/21 - looking like there will be a good up take of vaccine and should be achieved by plan end of year target then we can get back to reopening as set out in plan just before this outbreak.

Hopefully Australia (especially NSWs) can get their situation under control and the Tasman Bubble can recommence.

New quarantine facility being stood up to cope with increased cases.

16 in hospital- 2 in ICU.

Looking like Auckland & Northland will stay at level 4 for at least another two weeks and the rest of the country at level 3 for a week and if no cases I’ll be back in the office. Luckily no cases in South Island where we are, but plenty of people who had traveled to Auckland and were at places of interest. So could change- here’s hoping we will beat this again.

Some twats protesting, but country’s like piss off. Facebook generated protest saw only one person turn up - the Police sent him home.

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New Zealand is clearly one of the best models for how to beat a pandemic but I fear much of the world isn't learning anything from you

But congrats on building a healthy society!

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dziga said: New Zealand is clearly one of the best models for how to beat a pandemic but I fear much of the world isn't learning anything from you

But congrats on building a healthy society!


Cheers hoping you guys get through it too

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NEW Covid !
Did you hear about the NEW C.1.2. Makes about 10 NOW---Alpha,Beta,Gamma,Delta (cases to SURGE in U.S.A---Chicago NOW over 6,000 a day ) also Eta,Lota,Kappa,Lambda, Mu===Some listed as,variants of CONCERN . --others as variants of INTEREST. The NEW C.1,2. is just another "Of INTEREST" WHO also said MU is going to be another BAD ONE like Delta----but NO cure --Get working BOYS! Maybe we can have a "PORT" put in our arm---for all the shots ?? Smoothie

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South of Auckland in level two tomorrow- back to cbd office (instead of wfh) then. Social distancing, masking, scanning etc requirements.

Auckland still in level 4 shall be considered next week. Twenty cases for last three days, but testing has dropped off as has places of interest. Unfortunately another person passed and more in hospital and ICU.

Vaccination rates slightly below 80k per day - roughly about 30k above planned per daily uptake.

We’re knocking this bugger off.

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SHIT----I want to come over by you !
We have over 6,000 New Cases a day in IL-----,maybe 50,000 a day in U.S.A.? Down South and in SO. IL Hospitals FULL---people in the Halls !--BUT Good News! Covid makes the Gun Deaths look less ! Only 65 people shot in Chicago over the weekend--and 6 killed. New Zealand looks like Heaven to me--Do you have Welfare ? Smoothie

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13 cases today - 20, 20, 21 & 13 - it seems most are now household contracts, not all but most and the community transmission is controlled.

I think we might have broken the back of this bastard. And if haven’t, we’re not to far away from it.

Once done we can begin our “reconnect” plan. Work being carried out behind the scenes on things like passports, etc.

Testing rates climbing back up, which is great. No undue surprises in waste water testing.

Auckland still at level 4, rest of country at “delta” level 2.

Level 2 means: Masks mandatory in public places & transport; various limitations on number of people in public places (shops, etc); social distancing at 2 metres; mandatory record keeping (I finally got the Covid NZ app to work - don’t know why I had such a problem).

No requirement for masks in streets but encouraged- probably about 2/3rds were wearing them today in CBD when I went for my walk. None of this masks kill rubbish.

Extra vaccine purchased - 250,000 doses coming from Spain tomorrow & over that in couple of weeks. Then large doses delivered direct from phifser in October as contracted. Will keep the large vaccination (150% - 170% of planned vaccination rate) going. About 68% with one shot. Three vaccines fully approved with one in pipeline. Covering NZ & Pacific Realm Countries & Pacific neighbours boosters.

I am betting Auckland will drop to level 3 next week & level 2 week after, rest of country maybe to a “delta” level 1 in fortnight and Auckland to “delta” level 1 maybe in fortnight after. They’ll want to see how rest of country goes and how schools go.

Still getting 1pm briefings mostly each day. I think that’s been of major benefit. Let’s everyone know what’s going on.

Government support still going. Some industries are asking for more.

Been told that trans Tasman bubble will take awhile- mostly due to their dickhead of a PM. I can see opening first with individual States. New South Wales will be the last.

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23 cases today - expected with day 5 & 12 tests of close contacts.

900 odd cases from one single one. Yeah we sure fucked that one up didn’t we. If we get 900 from 1, imagine if we hadn’t taken our course of action.

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3,732 New Cases today in Pennsylvania U.S. A. Today---Sept 14th
1,354,451 Total as of Sept 14th---Penn. is a Big State---I like SIMPLE---News from the Washington Post. The pandemic will end-----because the death toll will finally drop to the same level we're accustomed to seeing from the FLU ! I also like,"the pandemic will end,when everyone who's going to die from it--is Dead" Also from university of Penn.---BUT can't find that story anymore??? Taken down ?

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Good NEWS----on WLS,ABC Radio this morning. Covid will end in Oct!----OR---Maybe next Spring-----OR --Late next Year---OR Two or three years from Now? They must have just gotten the News form Pennsylvania,University on YAHOO in early Aug.."UP-DATE" 2,600 shooting in Chicago this year! Who's going to get you First Covid or Chicago Gangs ????

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Scotchlander said: At times I think New Zealand are just delaying the inevitable. There is a very fine balance between not overpowering the health services and keeping the economy limping along. I get the feeling New Zealand are locking down too quickly and might be trashing their economy. Hopefully they can return to normal soon, like much of the world.


Hey Scotchlander, contra to what you might have been told or read our lockdowns have worked. We’ve had one major and two minor ones.

The economy bounced back amazingly- GDP was back to pre-Covid levels, unemployment lowest in 30 years- debt ratio much lower than anticipated by far. Economy in better position than Uk, US, Australia & Canada.

Early (& proper) lockdowns far better for public health and economy. And we are a country that follows the rules which helps drastically too I suppose.

Also health system doesn’t collapse which ours would have.

We’ve beat this before and gone back to level 1 - no social distancing, large gatherings, etc and we’ll beat this again and get back to level 1 & begin the reopening of borders which was outlined last week.

But thanks for thinking of us. Maybe the NN community might want to come visiting next year.

Cheers


So your country goes into panic mode and locks down every time a variant is discovered? Good luck with that. This virus isn't going anywhere. It is here to stay and will change constantly. We have to learn to live with it just as we have the flu virus. My 2c

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And just an FYI: New Zealand has a population of approx 4.9 million people whereas the USA has a population of approx 330 million. Many of them are packed into cities like sardines in a sardine can. Population density plays a huge rule in controlling ANY outbreak. What works in one country may not be as effective in another country.

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Covid death toll in U.S.A.
Yahoo News reports---675,446 Covid deaths in the U S. More than the 1918 Influrenza Pandemic! When's the next flight to New Zealand from Chicago?

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ilovepussy said: And just an FYI: New Zealand has a population of approx 4.9 million people whereas the USA has a population of approx 330 million. Many of them are packed into cities like sardines in a sardine can. Population density plays a huge rule in controlling ANY outbreak. What works in one country may not be as effective in another country.


Yes you are right US population is much larger than NZ, approximately 66 times bigger. But on that basis the US should have had 1,914 deaths.

Even allowing for density it wouldn’t be anywhere like the US current death rate. And the SE Asian countries with high density also didn’t have the per capita death rate of US.

As I’ve said before our health system didn’t fall over which it would have. I think we have the lowest number of ICU beds per capita in the OECD.

It would seem to me that the issue became a political one in the US, whereas it didn’t in NZ - even the Opposition parties quickly changed the viewpoint when the majority of the population got behind the public health measures & they could see the writing on the wall.

The British comedian, Russell Howard when talking about our first lockdown, at a show here commented that “ Jacinda [(Ardern) our Prime Minister] went get the fuck inside and we all went, agh okay”. Funny (it’s on YouTube) but pretty much how it went. We had 48 hours to get home. There’s a Canadian/ Swiss family (also on YouTube) who have been here for a year as the Government extended all visas.

Our one community transmission delta case turned into 1000+ - it’s really amazing that if we hadn’t done something just how much the outbreak would have grown. I’m waiting upon all those pundits overseas (& in NZ) to admit they were wrong- but I won’t hold my breath.

What a lot also don’t understand is because of our reaction the economy bounced back so much that even the economists in the reserve bank, trading banks, treasury, etc all thought we were stuffed - some egg on their faces when the economy came back to pre-Covid levels, stronger than UK, US, Canada & Australian economies and the unemployment rate was 4% (not the 25% they’d been throwing around) which also is the lowest rate in 30 years.

Sure there’s been some issues but which country hasn’t had some issues. And a major one is Auckland now at level three seems to think they have no lockdown rules- they do, no masking (although not mandatory - but watch this space) & no social distancing. They’re pissing the rest of the country off.

NZers overseas were told in March 2020, to come home, large numbers did, but large numbers didn’t. A Managed Isolation & Quarantine system was subsequently established at five star hotel’s. Now those (including some of my family) that didn’t come back when told are upset that we have a supply of MIQ spaces that doesn’t meet their demand. They’re even complaining about sports teams (including our Olympic team) getting rooms. It’s like they expect the rest of us to put our lives and activities completely on hold for them.

Cases seem to be in one gang which is proving hard to control- the authorities may have to issue a quarantine notice against those particular persons. But the daily cases have dropped (slight jump today to 13) but they are all traceable, which is good.

We live in South Island (Christchurch where the earthquakes were and mass shooting occurred) and we’re at level two (with some additional “delta” controls) rest of country also at level two and want to get to level one, but can’t unless Auckland gets to level two. Hence why we are getting pissed off with Dorklanders.

We looking for an uptake of 90% vaccination rate, which should prevent future lockdowns. It looks like 80% will be achieved easily (43% fully vaccinated & 37% with first shot - something like that) the remaining 10+% might be more difficult. Lots of organisations (Government & NGOs & businesses) all trying to do their part and get over the 90%. No one wants anymore lockdowns.

We have a plan to reopen to world (including having dedicated Covid wards in hospitals). Some trials to be started on travel, self-isolation that sort of thing. Vaccine passports are to be introduced. The Government released “Reconnect Plan” the week before the delta outbreak- kind of a perfect storm.

Even though this is the fourth lockdown for Auckland (still has 18 months free) the Government is still the favoured political party - not as much as before the election after the first lockdown, but still miles ahead of any other party.

Keep your fingers crossed for us, but it looks like we may have done it again.

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ilovepussy said: And just an FYI: New Zealand has a population of approx 4.9 million people whereas the USA has a population of approx 330 million. Many of them are packed into cities like sardines in a sardine can. Population density plays a huge rule in controlling ANY outbreak. What works in one country may not be as effective in another country.


Most large Asian cities have a much greater population density than any US or other Western city. Yes, population density does play a role and Asian countries have compensated for that much better than Western countries (with the exception of New Zealand).


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ilovepussy said: And just an FYI: New Zealand has a population of approx 4.9 million people whereas the USA has a population of approx 330 million. Many of them are packed into cities like sardines in a sardine can. Population density plays a huge rule in controlling ANY outbreak. What works in one country may not be as effective in another country.


Most large Asian cities have a much greater population density than any US or other Western city. Yes, population density does play a role and Asian countries have compensated for that much better than Western countries (with the exception of New Zealand).



Other countries didn't call a dead motorcyclist that also had covid a covid death either. They listed a death like that as a fatal motorcycle crash.

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LOCKDOWNS

Seems that the MELB actions are rather over the top.
I'm not there so don't know for sure.


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